Closed
Bug 423617
Opened 18 years ago
Closed 12 years ago
Let users choose the default Add Bookmarks folder
Categories
(Firefox :: Bookmarks & History, defect)
Firefox
Bookmarks & History
Tracking
()
VERIFIED
WONTFIX
People
(Reporter: ria.klaassen, Unassigned)
References
(Blocks 2 open bugs)
Details
(Keywords: ue, Whiteboard: [Advo])
Currently the default folder is Unsorted Bookmarks, which is hidden somewhere in the Library window.
I think people will use the star more often (instead of dragging links) if they are able to bookmark the folder directly to the folder they want. A lot of users will never search for a bookmark by typing in the locationbar, but want to see the bookmark more physically.
So my suggestion is a setting in the Library window or in the Add Bookmark pop-up for this function.
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Updated•18 years ago
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Flags: blocking-firefox3?
Comment 1•18 years ago
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Good suggestion, a little too late to make it in this product cycle, though. For now this would make a tasty, tasty add-on, though!
Comment 3•18 years ago
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By default, clicking the star places a bookmark in "unsorted bookmarks", while using the "Bookmark this page" menu item places defaults to the "bookmarks menu" folder.
I haven't made an add-on, but here is how to change the "Bookmark this page" default to "unsorted bookmarks" in case anyone is interested. This provides a quick way to tag links without adding them to the bookmarks menu.
In chrome/browser.jar/content/browser/browser.xul (note that .jar files are archives), replace:
<command id="Browser:AddBookmarkAs"
oncommand="PlacesCommandHook.bookmarkCurrentPage(true, PlacesUtils.bookmarksMenuFolderId);"/>
with:
<command id="Browser:AddBookmarkAs"
oncommand="PlacesCommandHook.bookmarkCurrentPage(true, PlacesUtils.unfiledBookmarkFolderId);"/>
In more detail.
1) cd <firefox-directory>/chrome
2) unzip browser.jar
3) Edit content/browser/browser.xul, making the replacement described above
4) zip -rD0 browser.jar content/browser/
5) Restart Firefox
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Updated•17 years ago
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Flags: blocking-firefox3.1?
Comment 4•17 years ago
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I support the blocking request, as this has caused substantial confusion as well as ill-will toward Mozilla.
Comment 5•17 years ago
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Placing the bookmarks in "unfiled bookmarks" by default was an intentional design decision to reduce the complexity of creating new bookmarks. We don't want users to have to think about where they are going to get filed away (at least by default), we just want them to be able to bookmark with a single click. Any decision the user makes to change the location of where they want to place new bookmarks is likely to change over time as they bookmark a variety of different changes, so persisting the previous location will result in a lot of bookmarks ending up in an illogical folder.
Comment 6•17 years ago
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IIRC it used to be possible to select which folder was to be used for the bookmarks toolbar through a context-menu option in the Bookmarks Manager. Couldn't we now offer a similar option for the default bookmarking location instead?
At least in my case, most of my bookmarks are actually filed to the same catch-all folder - it's just the toolbar folder (where I don't forget about them).
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Comment 7•17 years ago
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I once used the default location "Unsorted" but then I stopped bookmarking to this folder, because it was not easy to access and because typing in the locationbar mostly didn't turn up the right results, often 404 messages and bookmarks that I even didn't remember so I gave up trying.
So now I have made a folder on my toolbar, where I drag all my new bookmarks to. When the folder is full, I cut and paste everything into "sub-folder 1" and reuse the same folder again.
Problem with drag & drop is that it is so buggy.
Comment 8•17 years ago
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(In reply to comment #5)
While having the default that all new bookmarks go into a particular folder may reduce complexity, requiring such does not. (Look at all the relevant comments on the Firefox support pages.) It's find to have the single-click bookmark feature, but we should allow more sophisticated users to set their default location.
Saying that "Any decision the user makes to change the location of where they want
to place new bookmarks is likely to change over time as they bookmark a variety
of different changes, so persisting the previous location will result in a lot
of bookmarks ending up in an illogical folder" seems rather insulting to our user base. In FF2, many of us consciously set the default to a location useful to us, and didn't end up with lots of misfiled bookmarks.
One of Firefox's strengths has been simplicity balanced with customization. We need to be accessible to new and I-just-want-to-browse users while at the same time providing functionality for people who expect more from a browser.
Comment 9•17 years ago
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Should the user be able to choose a custom folder, or only one of the roots (menu/toolbar/unsorted)?
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Comment 10•17 years ago
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(In reply to comment #9)
> Should the user be able to choose a custom folder, or only one of the roots
> (menu/toolbar/unsorted)?
Being able to set any folder as default would be best imo. Setting Bookmarks-menu as default won't be useful enough.
Comment 11•17 years ago
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(In reply to comment #7)
> I once used the default location "Unsorted" but then I stopped bookmarking to
> this folder, because it was not easy to access
An alternative solution could be to put a link to "Unsorted bookmarks" at the root of Bookmarks menu, before "Bookmarks toolbar" link.
Comment 12•17 years ago
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Would like to see this resolved, but will not hold the 3.1 release for this.
Flags: blocking-firefox3.1? → blocking-firefox3.1-
OS: Windows XP → All
Hardware: PC → All
Comment 15•16 years ago
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Bug 451915 - move Firefox/Places bugs to Firefox/Bookmarks and History. Remove all bugspam from this move by filtering for the string "places-to-b-and-h".
In Thunderbird 3.0b, you do that as follows:
Tools | Message Filters
Make sure the correct account is selected. Click "New"
Conditions: Body contains places-to-b-and-h
Change the action to "Delete Message".
Select "Manually Run" from the dropdown at the top.
Click OK.
Select the filter in the list, make sure "Inbox" is selected at the bottom, and click "Run Now". This should delete all the bugspam. You can then delete the filter.
Gerv
Component: Places → Bookmarks & History
QA Contact: places → bookmarks
Comment 16•16 years ago
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will this also allow changing the default folder for "bookmark all tabs"?
Updated•15 years ago
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Blocks: cuts-control
Comment 17•15 years ago
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What is the state of this bug? There has been no update for a very long time. I totally understand what is written in comment 5:
> We don't want users to have to think about where they are going
> to get filed away (at least by default), we just want them to be
> able to bookmark with a single click.
Yes, that is fine. Bookmark with a single click and don't worry where the bookmark will end. However, this is no argument against allowing users to set a different default bookmark folder other than "unsorted bookmarks". Since unsorted bookmarks is not visible by default, I have no way to get back to my "single click" bookmark other than going over the "Organize Bookmarks" window, which, excuse this expression, really sucks.
So either users should be able to select a different default folder, or unhide the "unsorted bookmarks" entry and make it visible in the bookmark menu. Fixing either bug will make a lot of people happy, but right now neither bug is taken seriously.
Comment 20•13 years ago
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On Firefox for Linux 18.0.1 on Ubuntu it behaves as such:
a) clicking the star adds it to Unsorted Bookmarks
b) CTRL+D adds it by default to Bookmarks Menu
If I select after CTRL+D the Unsorted Bookmarks, it will the next time still be on Bookmarks Menu by default. Please let it automatically select Unsorted Bookmarks which I used the last time.
Implementing this will allow using CTRL+D + ENTER instead of clicking star. This is faster and for users that prefer the keyboard over the mouse.
Updated•13 years ago
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Whiteboard: [Advo]
Comment 21•12 years ago
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Could we get some feedback from mozilla's developers that own this module? I am willing to fix this in my own time since I find this to be outright stupid.
Comment 22•12 years ago
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I don't want to create a patch only for it to be shot down before it lands.
Flags: needinfo?
Comment 23•12 years ago
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I'm sorry, but I think that what's stated in comment 5 is still valid.
While it's not particularly hard to change this, the change will add more complexity to an already complex system, and that in the end will add to the maintenance costs, for something that was not intended and that will benefit a few users.
Allowing to set any folder as default will have edge cases, like to handle when that folder is removed and to handle restore, when the folder will be replaced by a similar one but with a different id. And what about Sync?
It's something that may look trivial, but adds lots of hidden costs.
So, the only feasible path would be to allow to choose a root, but in the end there's already such possibility:
1. the star bookmarks to unfiled
2. CTRL+D bookmarks to menu
3. drag to toolbar
While bookmarking as it is now has its flaws, I think we should rather start thinking how to improve the situation as a whole, even by redesigning the bookmarking interaction, than to add more complication to the system.
If you are interested in providing such option, you may evaluate making an add-on that intercepts the command or the PlacesCommandHook method, but keep in mind you will have to handle the above special cases, at least.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago
Flags: needinfo?
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Comment 24•12 years ago
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What about the inconsistent behavior I noted in comment 20? How is that going to be fixed because that is in line with your call for less complexity?
Comment 25•12 years ago
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Hi Marco,
I understand your point and it is valid for this bug. This is irritating, because the original bug I had was related to this one and was closed as a duplicate of it, which clearly wasn't true: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=825378
I think the bookmarks as they were before the unsorted bookmarks folder was added were just fine.
This is shown by the popularity of an add-on that addresses the problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-bookmark-here-2/ at the time of this writing it has 36,427 downloads. Quite a lot for "just a few users". I am not of the belief that add-ons should be fixing issues with the core functionality of the browser.
Also, in my originally filed bug, I had posted several links to forums that show that this "feature" is confusing to users. The number of duplicate bugs and the obvious irritation displayed by several users in the comments section of this bug is indicative of how polarizing the unsorted folder is. I don't know how chrome does things, but if I wasn't so invested in the mozilla vision, I would have looked that way by now.
My proposal is to get rid of the unsorted bookmarks folder. It does nothing over the previous way of doing things, other than add a whole new level of indirection and increase the number of clicks required for me to get to my bookmarks. How is this better than the way things used to be before?
Comment 26•12 years ago
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I just downloaded chromium and by default, the bookmarks go the bookmarks toolbar. Essentially, they don't have the unsorted bookmarks folder.
Comment 27•12 years ago
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I also support Ivan's proposal and get rid of the unsorted bookmarks folder.
Comment 28•12 years ago
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Looking at the duplicates, there are things like " "Lost" bookmarks falling into the unsorted bookmarks blackhole", and this bug seems to be a proposed solution to the issue. This solution was rejected, but the problem is still there.
How about bringing this up with the UX team or on the firefox-dev mailing list, to get a consensus on the right solution, then file bug(s) to get the solution implemented.
...and bug 444080 should probably be re-opened.
Comment 29•12 years ago
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I definitely agree with you that starring to unsorted bookmarks is confusing, that's the main concern we have about it. Though, it can be solved differently at the UI level, making clearer where the bookmarks end.
The UX team worked on this issue and proposed some changes, but this requires a global rethinking of the feature, I don't have an ETA but that will surely happen.
For now, the Australis bookmarks widget will give better access to unsorted bookmarks, but that's clearly not yet a final solution. Once we have resources available we'll spend time in making it properly.
(In reply to Pander from comment #24)
> What about the inconsistent behavior I noted in comment 20? How is that
> going to be fixed because that is in line with your call for less complexity?
Unfortunately that's by design, could be confusing but it's working as it was designed for, it's another piece that should be rethought.
(In reply to Ivan Alagenchev :ialagenchev from comment #25)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=825378
while not a perfect duplicate, that would be another wontfix, making it configurable would just complicate things for us, since we'll have to consider and support more cases.
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-bookmark-here-2/ at the
> time of this writing it has 36,427 downloads. Quite a lot for "just a few
> users". I am not of the belief that add-ons should be fixing issues with the
> core functionality of the browser.
That was definitely a nice add-on, I thought many times to integrate it, but in the end it would have complicated menus for any users, and even if I see your point, 40 thousands users is still a minority out of 400 millions. But was surely a very appreciated idea.
> My proposal is to get rid of the unsorted bookmarks folder. It does nothing
> over the previous way of doing things.
I agree, I actually think it should not have been done from the beginning. Though, at the point we are the most constructive thing is to evaluate what we want for bookmarks in future, are they still relevant, is their hierarchical structure still coherent with today's Internet contents?
This is a long discussion that would be better kept elsewhere with a larger audience, like on firefox-dev mailing list, than in a bug.
Comment 30•12 years ago
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(In reply to Chris Ilias [:cilias] from comment #28)
> ...and bug 444080 should probably be re-opened.
Yep, my fault.
Comment 31•12 years ago
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Hi Marco,
Thank you for your replies.
While 40,000 doesn't seem much for one add-on, there are other add-ons that try to fix the same problem. Comparing 40,000 to 400 mil isn't a fare comparison. Most users don't know how to install add-ons, what they are, or how to use them. Also, most users aren't vocal either - they just move to another browser when they are unhappy. We, those 40,000 users and those on the forums happen to be the most visible and most active ones.
However, I don't want to continue the distraction from what's really important here - namely fixing this mess.
I have one simple question. How can we as more active users and volunteers engage with you guys to get this thing done. You mention that you don't have enough resources. Obviously, some of us can help out on that end, since I and I assume some of the other commenters above are devs. However, I am getting the feeling that it's not about pure dev availability and there is more to this. Obviously, a global design has to be thought out and the proposed solution has to go through UX. How can we engage to speed that process up?
Comment 32•12 years ago
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Create a user friendly high level website like ubuntu ideas (multiple solutions) or votebox from dropbox (one solution but prioritises). Collect the votes with the bugzilla vote functionality. Make it also a (part of) default website (extra tab with Sach new version firefox).
Comment 33•12 years ago
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Pander, was that supposed to be a reply to my question? If so, you will have to explain yourself a bit better for people who are not used to mozilla things. What is the bugzilla vote functionality? What default website? What extra tab? What is Sach?
Flags: needinfo?(pander)
Comment 34•12 years ago
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Sach is a type of each. Whenever a popular add-on has an upgrade, it opens an extra tab after the browser restart with some info on new features etc. Firefox could do the same when it gets an upgrade itself. On that tab, one part could be about voting for new features or bug fixes. Over time you can get a reasonable audience and a good indication what has priority froma user perspective.
My previous reply as indeed a bit brief. Examples can be found here:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
for vote for solutions and to vote from multiple ways how to solve it
Another example is here
https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/all#votebox:popular:0
but there only priority is indicated.
Bugzilla has a way to register votes for bugs. A custom site could be build using Bugzilla as a backend to capture votes. Discussion should be held in Bugzilla itself but the voting could be done in a very simple to use exta website. For example http://vote.mozilla.org with categories for Firefox, Thunderbird etc.
This could ease design on how to fix bugs because you will get votes from a large audience (if positioned and communcated clearly and easily) I think.
Flags: needinfo?(pander)
Comment 35•12 years ago
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(In reply to Ivan Alagenchev :ialagenchev from comment #31)
> I have one simple question. How can we as more active users and volunteers
> engage with you guys to get this thing done. You mention that you don't have
> enough resources. Obviously, some of us can help out on that end, since I
> and I assume some of the other commenters above are devs. However, I am
> getting the feeling that it's not about pure dev availability and there is
> more to this. Obviously, a global design has to be thought out and the
> proposed solution has to go through UX. How can we engage to speed that
> process up?
Let me clarify, there is no magic wand to this and yes, the problem is that resources are not infinite, Mozilla is still no profit after all, so we must prioritize any change. Contributors are a great help, but as you said they need guidance and a good proposal to follow.
So, there are things that may help, writing a good blog post about the issue with a suggested solution well documented (this is a good example: http://limi.net/articles/improving-download-behaviors-web-browsers/). Then you may bring up your proposal in firefox-dev and/or file a bug and raise interest in the ux team. Once there's an agreed proposal any contributor may work on it and could be easier to find resources, until then we know there's an issue but nobody made a step to design an alternative system that solves it, so nobody can work towards that solution.
Comment 36•12 years ago
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Thank you Pander and Marco.
Comment 37•12 years ago
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Also an API could be build on Bugzilla for crowd funding services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_crowd_funding_services I have another bug report for that somewhere in Bugzilla.
Comment 38•12 years ago
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(In reply to Marco Bonardo [:mak] from comment #29)
> The UX team worked on this issue and proposed some changes,
Where is that work documented?
Comment 39•12 years ago
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Could this issue be reopened please?
Comment 40•12 years ago
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I have an idea that could possibly address the issues with the unsorted bookmarks, while keeping the functionality in.
I'm thinking about having the unsorted bookmarks behave just like any of the other folders in the bookmarks menu, so that a user gets a right triangle arrow next to the "Unsorted Bookmarks". When a user mouses over the "Unsorted Bookmarks" item, they would get a new menu with all the bookmarks, rather than a separate window that they have to close after selecting their bookmark.
I think that's a good middle ground solution to the usability problem.
Who would be the right person on UX to discuss this with?
Comment 41•12 years ago
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Please (with sugar on the top), don't break the functionality described in comment #5.
Not having to manage bookmarks and not caring which folder they end up to was game changing for me. I used to have to think about bookmarking something or use the social bookmarking addons but the awesomebar + unsorted made everything else obsolete. I simply send anything that I may need later to the unsorted bookmarks, correct the title or add a few tags so I can find it later and I'm done - no need to mess with menus, toolbars and folders.
Comment 42•12 years ago
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(In reply to Pavlos Touboulidis from comment #41)
> Please (with sugar on the top), don't break the functionality described in
> comment #5.
>
> Not having to manage bookmarks and not caring which folder they end up to
> was game changing for me. I used to have to think about bookmarking
> something or use the social bookmarking addons but the awesomebar + unsorted
> made everything else obsolete. I simply send anything that I may need later
> to the unsorted bookmarks, correct the title or add a few tags so I can find
> it later and I'm done - no need to mess with menus, toolbars and folders.
I agree with you, that works if you remember bits of text from the title, or the url of the web page. Where frankly, it's just a slight improvement over using google for managing your bookmarks. Essentially, you are advocating to ignore where bookmarks are stored at all, which is fine, but if that's what UX wants to advocate, then why care about bookmarks at all? Why have sorted and unsorted folders, why even have a way to manage the bookmarks other than just deleting them?
Obviously, people find these features useful, so we should try and make them more usable then they currently are.
I think what most people are having problem with isn't really the issue with having the "unsorted bookmarks" folder. Conceptually, this could be considered the same as the way things used to be, since having everything go into the same place by default isn't much different from having everything go into something that is just labeled "unsorted bookmarks".
However the fact that it requires extra clicks to get to the bookmarks and that it opens a separate window that doesn't close automatically is problematic for people, including me. I know for sure that a lot of people dislike this feature and I've seen submissions to the suggestion box by people who are unhappy with it too.
Perhaps we need a new bug that requests to reduce the number of clicks required to get to your bookmarks and to get rid of the extra window? I think that is something that UX shouldn't have trouble getting behind and will make things better for users too. Could someone from the relevant teams please comment on this?
Comment 43•12 years ago
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I know everyone uses bookmarks differently but the way it works now suits me for two different uses:
1) Bookmarks for daily use / browsing or work: These are properly categorized in folders and subfolders, under the "Bookmarks Menu" folder for easy access with the one click "Display Your Bookmarks" button when the toolbar is hidden, or under the toolbar for direct access (like bookmarklets). These are typically less than 50. On a new session, one might open all the bookmarks in the "news" folder (for example) in new tabs. Live bookmarks (feeds) go here too.
2) Bookmarks archived for later use: These are bookmarks that may never be used or are used occasionally. They need keywords (tags) and searching. There are hundreds of these, maybe thousands and should not be displayed in a menu.
(In reply to Ivan Alagenchev :ialagenchev from comment #42)
> I agree with you, that works if you remember bits of text from the title, or
> the url of the web page. Where frankly, it's just a slight improvement over
> using google for managing your bookmarks.
True, but it's a significant improvement over just using Google because it has preselected content, requires no account or third party, has custom tags and syncs across all devices.
> However the fact that it requires extra clicks to get to the bookmarks and
> that it opens a separate window that doesn't close automatically is
> problematic for people, including me. I know for sure that a lot of people
> dislike this feature and I've seen submissions to the suggestion box by
> people who are unhappy with it too.
I agree, the unsorted bookmarks / window does not cover all use cases and is only usable via the url bar. It's an archive.
Comment 44•12 years ago
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Please let's keep awesome bar and "what works for me" discussions off this thread. It's a distraction from the original problem.
Comment 45•12 years ago
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(In reply to Ivan Alagenchev :ialagenchev from comment #44)
> Please let's keep awesome bar and "what works for me" discussions off this
> thread. It's a distraction from the original problem.
I'm sorry, just wanted to demonstrate the difference between the two use cases.
Comment 46•12 years ago
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No worries :-)
Comment 48•10 years ago
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Reading all comments above and having in mind my own user experience I made following conclusions:
- Unsorted bookmarks folder _does not_ provide simplicity for inexperienced users, as developers claim to. This is not obvious at all which folder will be chosen by default -- you have to either read manual, or just make some experiments.
- On the other hand, setting default Bookmarks folder to Bookmarks toolbar does, as Bookmarks toolbar is on-display by default.
- Having Unsorted bookmarks folder is definitely user experience regression.
Just for notice, bookmarks must go to the end of the Bookmarks toolbar. This is pretty much obvious for me, as the statements above, which are not obvious for developers for some reason, so just making this notice to avoid future confusions.
Comment 49•10 years ago
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Please reopen this bug.
Comment 50•10 years ago
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This bug is about putting an option that allows to choose the default folder, as explained we don't want to have such a complex option.
That doesn't mean your points don't have value, I agree with most of those and I think next bookmarks UI iteration will first of all have to figure how to solve the unfiled bookmarks madness.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Comment 51•10 years ago
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Marco, it isn't a complex option - it is a simple choice for the user to decide where they (not Firefox) want the default repository for bookmarks they make to lie. Not having that choice is unduly aggravating and very Microsoft-esque. As a user driven community Firefox developers should listen to their users when their users over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again say that a "feature" doesn't work for them.
I am one of those users who for years has cursed Firefox for their design adherence to what amounts to an asinine place to send bookmarks. When I book mark something I want it to be deposited nicely in a desired location that I can find later - "Bookmarks".
"Unsorted Bookmarks" is so far down the list and so hidden that I never look there for my recent bookmarks - even after years of being forced to use it by the firefox developers.
When I get fed up enough with my inability to - within three clicks - drill down to "unsorted bookmarks" I'll go through the manual process of cutting and pasting everything from "Unsorted Bookmarks" to "Bookmarks" in order to organize it into whatever bins I want.
Let me reiterate that the "unsorted bookmarks" folder is not user friendly nor does requiring end users to only have that option provide a positive end user experience.
Please add the very simple and very useful option for the user to chose default bookmarks repositories to future UI updates.
Thanks!
Comment 53•8 years ago
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Can't we please have this bug re-opened? I just filed a fresh bug report, which was swiftly rejected as being a duplicate of this bug:
"Allow default folder for new bookmarks to be configurable" - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1433877
tl;dr:
> I would like to suggest this behavior, when adding a new bookmark:
> 1. CTRL+D is pressed, or the Star-icon or "Bookmark this page" is clicked
> 2. The new bookmark is added under "Bookmarks Menu" (the folder show when pressing ALT+B)
Marco Bonardo (comment nr. 29, 5 years ago):
> I definitely agree with you that starring to unsorted bookmarks is confusing, that's the main concern we have about it.
Great, I agree. So can't we please change the default destination for new bookmarks to "Bookmark Menu" (root), in stead of "Other Bookmarks"?
Comment 54•8 years ago
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(In reply to resa from comment #53)
> Can't we please have this bug re-opened? I just filed a fresh bug report,
> which was swiftly rejected as being a duplicate of this bug:
> "Allow default folder for new bookmarks to be configurable" -
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1433877
Hi, the dupe was not completely correct, especially against a years old decision. Anyway, you can follow Bug 1412263 that is open.
Comment 55•8 years ago
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(In reply to Marco Bonardo [::mak] from comment #54)
> (In reply to resa from comment #53)
> > Can't we please have this bug re-opened? I just filed a fresh bug report,
> > which was swiftly rejected as being a duplicate of this bug:
> > "Allow default folder for new bookmarks to be configurable" -
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1433877
>
> Hi, the dupe was not completely correct, especially against a years old
> decision. Anyway, you can follow Bug 1412263 that is open.
Thank you Marco, I am glad to hear that, and that an actionable bug exists in Bug 1412263. Having an option under "Preferences" to change the default folder for saving new bookmarks will be so good.
Comment 56•8 years ago
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Similar issue but probably not technically a duplicate of the other because of the underlying reason for the issue.
For something that has been unresolved for a decade I'm glad this is getting renewed interest. I understand that the Firefox developers want people to think about their bookmarks but when we are bookmarking we typically just want to save to someplace we can find the bookmark easily and then deal with it later after we've completed whatever workflow we are undertaking.
From my own experiences, when a bookmark goes into the unsorted bookmarks folder I'll forget about it until long after it's become obsolete and unneeded. Root, bookmarks bar, or user specified would all work better than unsorted folder imho.
Thanks for the continued work on this one.
Comment 57•8 years ago
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(In reply to xultunwaye from comment #56)
> I understand that the Firefox developers want people to
> think about their bookmarks
It's actually the opposite, see comment 5.
> From my own experiences, when a bookmark goes into the unsorted bookmarks
> folder I'll forget about it until long after it's become obsolete and
> unneeded.
That's partially true, the problem in general is defining "what bookmarks are for", and "how do we empower users to bookmark very easily and still retrieve the most relevant information from them when needed".
The Address Bar helps a lot, because you can indeed bookmark something it will suggest that page "forever" (until the bookmark is removed). Activity Stream and the new tab page will also enter this picture.
The point is, if the information retrieval system would be good enough, you likely wouldn't care at all where/what your bookmarks are, you should just be able to pin and unpin the information you want to easily retrieve in the future.
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